Does Saturn-Venus mean perpetual failure in love?
celine provided a birth time (click chart to view) and writes,My venus is ... opposing saturn.... I couldn't have a long time relationship because of the saturn effect. I have also no planet in my 7th house.... Am I always going to fail in love & money? [edited for clarity]Saturn opposite Venus is a challenging aspect, but it doesn't mean you're destined to be lonely and bereft. The challenging side of Saturn is its tendency to restrict, block and test. In a stressful aspect like the opposition (a 180-degree angle), Venus' needs to express affection and feel attractive and loved are hindered. The opposition aspect especially manifests in relationships, so you may continually confront harsh authority figures who withdraw their approval. Saturn is the archetype of the father, and since Saturn is the traditional ruler of Aquarius on the cusp of your Fourth House -- which some astrologers correlate with the father -- it is likely that you repeat a rejecting relational pattern that started with him. That is, if your father was withholding, you are drawn to men who seem familiar, and who also give you the cold shoulder. (Venus-Saturn correlates with an attraction to older men or men in positions of authority.)
However, there are positives to Saturn: commitment, duty, responsibility, seriousness. Astrologers often say that those with challenging Saturn-Venus aspects find love later in life, because Saturn is the planet of delay. Regardless, it is simply part of your path to master the obstacle course of love, and through confronting this hardship, you become very clear about what you need (and refuse to put up with) in relationship. Venus is the planet of value and self-worth, so put in some serious effort to build up your self-esteem, so that you don't feel you have to prove your value to a man.
You are currently undergoing your Saturn Return -- when Saturn returns to its original position in the zodiac when you were born -- and this planet is also opposing your natal Venus by transit. In essence, you are going through a period of maturity in which you need to let go of patterns that weigh you down. I suggest you do some writing to analyze your relational patterns. Through taking an inventory of yourself, you become more aware of what's holding you back from a satisfying love life.
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posted by Jeffrey Kishner at 1/17/2008
11 Comments:
Great Post Jeff! So so true!
I have a similar deal with my Scorpio Saturn Square Venus
(also no 7th house) and I've had to realize EXACTLY what I need in a person, and stick to it.. I have a smaller amount of wiggle room than anyone I know. Don't do "opposites attract" and set clear rules and boundaries (saturn demands it!). Also, have to fight off major deceptive tendencies. In fact, whenever I feel the urge to even "downplay" something, I tell the truth to my husband immediately so I can't build it up. I wanted someone who works for me, and I will work for them and the relationship.
Yes. Perhaps not perpetual failure so much as perpetual disappointment.
My mother had Venus-Saturn square. Her love life was a very sad state of affairs, my heart still bleeds for her.
Thankfully my Venus is trine Jupiter. I strike it rich sometimes but it never lasts (my Venus is also conjunct Uranus/Pluto)
Such is life.
Jeffery,
Nice post. Extremely accurate.
I have this exact placement: venus opposes Saturn and no 7th house. My dad is emotionally unavailable and my love life is dismal at best.
I have had several relationships with emotionally unavailable men but I am working on changing that. I look forward to having a successful relationship someday.
I wish I knew all this then...I had that with my Scorp. Makes complete sense now. Angeline, I envy you. I want my Scorp till death do us part too :(
I have a friend who has the venus saturn opposition but with venus in gemini.
He prefers open relationships and always seems to be involved with women in one way or another (romantically and sexually), including long-term relationships. So I wonder how it is actually playing out in his chart. I don't see any delays for him in that department!
I don't know his houses though (no birth time).
What about Venus conjunct Saturn?
My Venus is squared Saturn and my love life is/was disastrous!
Why? Hmmmm....;)
Sun/Mercury/Neptune in the 7th..
relationships are immensely important to me though I idealize and depersonalize my loved ones till I fall by the wayside, disillusioned and disenchanted.
I have Saturn in 1st opposing my Venus w/in 1 degree in Scorpio in my 7th. I have 4 planets in 7th, so this is not an issue but my father- definitely was never available emotionally (until I was out of the house - then, I learned there are miracles, because we have a great relationship now!!!)
I have, yes, usually been in relationships where there is that brick wall, namely, Saturn, and it creates such dificulties (just had it out this morning over this very thing w/my bou - but at least ended it w/love).
I did read recently somewhere that to get over this saturn/venus confliction, one must just love the saturn person (the cold person). To be honest, this seems true, but I wish I could always remember this!?!
Well, if you have this affliction, there is no "getting out of it" and so, diving right in, this, I avow right here, that I will pledge to TRY with my heart to do this. There will be a possible forgetful day - but I am going to go w/this advise and just see where it takes me? (Maybe just loving them anyhow, sets off some "karma" that we have and also - saturnian energy, in general, is very loyal and committed, and so, maybe it will possibly help this to grow so that the Saturn meets up with the Venus and then there is committment AND love - nice idea huh?!) - opposites can balance (180 degrees?!?!)
@curious, Saturn conjunct Venus would have similar issues, but here's the difference with conjunctions, as I understand them: although both planets are "unified" (especially when conjunct in the same sign, meaning that their expressions are congruent), there can be a blindness in the native regarding how the aspect plays out. With a square or opposition, one is forced to be conscious, because the conflict is right in one's face. With the conjunction, it's like if you have poor peripheral vision, you may not even notice what's right next to you. There's more of an Aries type innocence (I use Aries because Aries:conjunction as Libra:opposition), implying a lack of awareness of the aspect's impact.
Wow, nicely said. As I have the opposition, my ex had the saturn/venus (and jupiter)conjunction; and he WAS obviously unconscious of it. Does this mean that they end up w/less pain about it? Or just as much, but later, when they are finally conscious of it. And if they are not conscious of it - do they not really feel that "lack of love" and inablility to quite reach it quite the same way? What would they be feeling, then, if they are uncounscious of it?!
Jeffery, is this true (see below)? In order to work-out saturn/venus opposition one has to love the cold-person? How does one love someone who ignores their needs?
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did read recently somewhere that to get over this saturn/venus confliction, one must just love the saturn person (the cold person). To be honest, this seems true, but I wish I could always remember this!?!
Well, if you have this affliction, there is no "getting out of it" and so, diving right in, this, I avow right here, that I will pledge to TRY with my heart to do this. There will be a possible forgetful day - but I am going to go w/this advise and just see where it takes me? (Maybe just loving them anyhow, sets off some "karma" that we have and also - saturnian energy, in general, is very loyal and committed, and so, maybe it will possibly help this to grow so that the Saturn meets up with the Venus and then there is committment AND love - nice idea huh?!) - opposites can balance (180 degrees?!?!)
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