If It Were Only So Simple... (The Dreaded T-Square)
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Commonly, astrologers suggest to a client that they resolve the tension of the T-Square by working on the fourth sign in that modality, that therein lies the solution. For example, if you have a mutable T-square with Pluto in Virgo in the 3rd House, Moon in Pisces in the Ninth House and Venus in Gemini in the 12th House (I'm not naming any names here), you would look to develop Sagittarius in the 6th. You would come up with a handful of interpretations of what Sag in the 6th means, and then "pursue them with a passion."
What I'd like to know is has anyone been truly cured by trying this approach? Please leave your comments below.
just go on www.astro.com, plug in your statsIn a T-Square, three planets are involved in "hard" aspects to each other, such that two planets are opposing each other (180-degree angle) and a third planet squares both (90-degree angles). Unless this is an out-of-sign aspect, all three planets are in the same mode: cardinal, fixed or mutable.
if your natal chart comes up with a nasty red triangle, that's a T-square
and the only way to tame this beast is balance it off with the missing leg
study the degree that is the missing leg
and pursue it with a passion
you will be cured
Commonly, astrologers suggest to a client that they resolve the tension of the T-Square by working on the fourth sign in that modality, that therein lies the solution. For example, if you have a mutable T-square with Pluto in Virgo in the 3rd House, Moon in Pisces in the Ninth House and Venus in Gemini in the 12th House (I'm not naming any names here), you would look to develop Sagittarius in the 6th. You would come up with a handful of interpretations of what Sag in the 6th means, and then "pursue them with a passion."
What I'd like to know is has anyone been truly cured by trying this approach? Please leave your comments below.
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posted by Jeffrey Kishner at 10/26/2007
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Well, since Anonymous/Victoria? gave me this advice, I'm copying my response here:
Anon (Victoria?), I followed your advice and took a look at my chart drawing. It has lots of blue triangles, one closed "nasty" red triangle, and a few red lines making triangles with blue lines. What do you mean by "missing legs"? The big red triangle is between 1st (Sag), 7th (Gemini), and 9th (Virgo) houses. Is the missing leg Pisces?
What's the cure for my T-square? Pisces in the ___ house? Pisces is on the cusp of my 4th house. And Pisces is my South Node. I thought that means I'm supposed to stop relying on Pisces traits in order for my soul to evolve??? Maybe I need to work on spirituality and compassion? Go smoke some weed? lol Believe it or not, people think I'm a pushover, full of forgiveness, and spacey in person when they first meet me. That's why I vent here.
No remedy is simple; even medical doctors of various disciplines disagree on diagnosis (homeopathy, naturopathy, western medicine, ayurveda, etc) and many of them have PhD's for goodness sake. Some think others are quacks, some yield respect, others just do what they've been taught and mind their own business. And all of them are up for scrutiny. Do your research and follow your gut.
Not claiming to be a sage and just speaking from an avid interest and experience, I look for the obvious in a chart first.
In your case Jara there is no T-square really, just a nice mix of squares and trines and various aspects (your Neptune is too far distant orb to make a true T-square) so I wouldn't worry about that.
The obvious is this:
Moon conjunct Uranus in the 12th
(yikes!)
Your North Node is conjunct Saturn, in exact orb, and square Mars at that (again, yikes!)
Your Mars in Gemini in the 6th is ferocious on your descendant (you will talk your partner to extinction darling, and even think it is your duty to do so--give the guy a break!)
And being that Saturn squares that Mars, you feel very frustrated at times as a result, blocked even
Your Jupiter conjunct Mercury in the 8th means you think A LOT about deeper issues (like sex, death and renewal, how to control situations--generally Scorpio stuff)
Neptune situated smack in your 1st house explains your statement "people think I'm a pushover, full of forgiveness, and spacey in person when they first meet me." Neptune rules Pisces and your first house is your image you show the world, their first impression of you, also your self-image.
P.S. The flurry of activity is all in the upper hemisphere of your chart, which means what you do is very public for the most part (whether in real life or in cyberspace) you certainly can lead an extroverted existence, which is fine
it's all good, you are who you are
don't sweat the small stuff
and for your "soul to evolve" look to your North Node in Virgo (practical service) in the 9th (foreign countries, philosophy, higher education/religion).
This is indicative of your natural destiny, which some of us don't feel comfortable with and have to work at (especially in your case since Saturn is sitting on top of it--you will take this all very seriously and it won't come easily)
This is what immediately came to the fore when I looked at your chart, the obvious
The deeper stuff I leave to Jeff, he's the man, and the Pisces, so he's more evolved with better intuition in these things
As an afterthought you would be wise to abstain from pursuing your South Node as you thought. The absolute worst thing you could do at this point is smoke weed and space out--that is too familiar territory--focus on the practical service thing in the 9th house (North Node) and concentrate/focus/discipline yourself (Saturn) in that regard for a true positive metamorphasis.
In my opinion that is the "cure" to your various dilemnas and personal dramas, which are endearing to read about but with that Moon/Uranus in the 12th, you are chasing your tail if you dwell in your Pisces South Node
and you could use that energy more productively, maybe using your Technology job and training to make life better for a third world country, perhaps, or something of that nature
just a thought to help you on your way
you have many gifts
Has anyone been truly cured by trying any approach that wasn't appropriate to the root of the symptoms?
If the T-square is there, really there, then yes, I would think so
It works for me at least, when I focus on my Neptune in Scorpio in the 5th everything flows like magic, almost effortlessly--the music and words lift me up and over the conflicting circumstances the nasty T-square generates
I dunno, would welcome comments from others who've tried the "remedy" on for size
OK, so let me try and understand this. I don't have a T square but my ex-partner (the mad bull as I like to call him) has Chiron in Aries (18deg)in the 4th house (Conjunct IC) squaring Moon in Cancer (20deg) in the 6th house (conjunct Descendent) and Uranus in Libra (19deg) (conjunct Midheaven).
He's a living nightmare on a regular basis as he's got Borderline Personality Disorder.
For him to "overcome" his T-square he would need to do 12th house Capricorn type stuff. I'm guessing the interpretation here but does that mean he would have to take responsiblity and work hard at getting through all of his hidden, unconscious behaviour? Or perhaps take on responsibility and work hard in service of humanity? Or maybe get into spiritual studies? Mind you the twelfth house also rules prisons but so far, all he has worked hard at is sending himself to prison ;-) Mind you he doesn't take responsiblity for it - it's everyone else's fault from his father who abused him as a child to me for calling the police on him.
In this case would you look at all planets in the 12th house or only planets within 5 degrees each way? The only thing he has in the 12th house is the North node of the moon, but it's nowhere near his Ascendant which is the other part of the T-Square.
Actually when I think about the core way he screws his life up, he really would benefit by taking responsibility and working diligently at fixing all of the unconscious stuff that drives his bad behaviour.
are you still in love with him?
Most definitely. But I recognise that just because you love someone, doesn't mean you have to let them abuse you and with him, it's not possible to have any kind of contact without abuse creeping into it. It hurts like hell but I know that my life is so much better without him and that the way I feel now (utterly miserable) will pass.
I would rather have no relationship at all than be verbally and emotionally abused every 2nd or 3rd day and physically abused every few months.
The thing that I find absolutely amazing is that although he has done some really awful things to me, there is still love there. I mean I don't want to be near him anymore because I don't think he will ever change, but I still love him and on some level probably always will.
Besides we've got karma. It's in our charts and I went to a tarot reader recently who without my prompting started talking about the karmic situation that I'm going through right now.
The upside is that it has made me much wiser, more sure of myself and when I stop feeling so miserable, much stronger.
Thanks for answering my question, Victoria.
Jara, what did you *think* was a T-Square in your chart?
I know Victoria said not to worry since it's too wide an orb to be a real T-Square.And she may be exactly right.
I'm not sure though.
Victoria, what is what you'd consider an orb worth considering with a T-Square?
That would be 2 oppostions and a 3rd squaring both planets in the oppostion--so we're really counting the orb you'd consider on oppostions and squares.
However, I always feel wider orbs than most people would count.Back when I was first learning astrology, I was about 16-17, and I had a rather beginner's book --10 degrees was what I learned was within orb, I didn't know different yet(and there was no internet)---I know most astrologers would disagree, but my point in mentioning it is that I always found it did hold up.
It's more of a continuum in my experience.
Obviously the closer the orb, the better, but a larger than "acceptable" orb doesn't negate that there's an aspect there imo.
So, I'm just curious Jara--maybe the T-square matters somewhat with your chart, you know?
I had actually never heard Jeff's "cure" exactly that way(the 4th sign in the modality)--I had heard about working on the matters that affect the house of the squaring sign).
If the 4th sign is what to look to, then, for me, it would be my 12th house which is ruled by Jupiter since Sagitarius is on the cusp but is also Capricorn, and Cap would be the one in my situation I believe.
All I have in the 12th is Chiron, and my North Node, which itself is so close to the 1st House, it's really more 1st House.
Anyone have any thoughts for me?
Again, focus on the obvious. If your "wounded healer" and destiny/life path lie in your 12th house and particularly, conjunct your Ascendant, research this thoroughly. The internet is a wonderful handy tool, makes this type of work so much easier.
This is a very special placement for Chiron and North Node and worthy of further study. Will definitely affect your subconscious drives and the first impression you give others, without even trying.
As for the orbs, an allowance of 10 degrees is okay and reasonably valid for a conjunction maybe, but when working with geometrical aspects the more exact the degree the better.
For quincunx (150 degrees) sextiles (60 degrees) semi-squares (45 degrees) and other less frequently used but often very interesting aspects (and enlightening ones) stick to no more than a 3 degree orb to keep things pure and simple.
The farther out of orb, the more shades of gray. I prefer to deal in black and white, being a Scorp.
"The apex planet of a T-Square is the key. This is the planet that is both the driving force, and also the planet that is under the most pressure. Squares, remember, are action aspects; the apex planet, receiving two simultaneous squares, is under a great deal of pressure to act. In order for this planet to act in a focused and productive manner, however, it still needs an anchor. The "empty leg" of the T-Square is where this anchor is found. Some astrologers consider this point (the point opposite the apex planet) to be the 'release point' of the T-Square. I don't consider this to be an accurate description. A T-Square is about moving forward, taking action with the apex planet, not about diffusing or redirecting that action. What an awareness of the opposing point offers is an anchor of sorts, and a reference point to insure that the path and direction of the action taken is true. When a planet transits this point, creating a temporary Grand Cross, it often indicates an opportunity to unleash the power and energy of the T-Square in a very focused and directed manner because the transiting planet provides the awareness of balance for the Apex planet, and at the same time triggers the two squares."
-excerpt from www.therealastrology.com
"The Aspect Patterns Defined"
my t-square apex is 12th Mars 29 deg Sag conj Asc
Zing!
hahaha
Thanks-- fascinating & helpful post/comments.
Jeffrey can you please tell me what I need to pursue with a passion to resolve my t-square?
@jensagg, you mean mercury opp chiron, both square your north node?
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