Why does Pisces lie?
Pisces has two planetary rulers: Jupiter (exaggeration and idealism) and Neptune (fantasy and imagination). So, whether you're a traditionalist (those astrologers who think the solar system stops at Saturn) or a modernist, there's a good explanation for Pisces' deceptive nature.Neptune governs illusions and delusions. Sometimes fantasy is preferable to reality, don't you think? Can you blame Pisces the Daydreamer for spending more time in escapist thought than in the daily grind? And if he's lying to you, how do you know he's not lying to himself as well?
Jupiter (and this also goes for you Sagittarians!) doesn't so much lie as expand on the truth, and overlook details. Signs ruled by this planet will ignore facts that don't fit into their Grand Theory.
Tall tales, utter falsehoods. A lying Pisces is not likely to have malicious intent -- he just doesn't want to embrace reality as everyone else perceives it. That, or he doesn't want to get caught!
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posted by Jeffrey Kishner at 3/09/2007
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I am a Sag who is....well....dealing with a Pisces who does more than lie. I think he does it to make my arrows miss. He doesn't seem quite sure how to deal with my frankness, so it is his method for "throwing me off" the scent a bit so he can feel like he is safely in control.
I accuse him of malicious intent, but I don't think he is even aware of himself until I point it out. He is geniunely surprised when I say: "Well, that isn't fair that you always have something up your sleeve! I never do!"
His reaction isn't just: "Oh, that isn't fair?" It is more along the lines of: "Oh, I always have something up my sleeve? Hmm, no wonder you are mad."
He doesn't think dodgeball is misleading, or at least, he doesn't realize it is misleading, so he doesn't think he is doing anything wrong. As a sweet hearted Pisces, he feels really bad/quilty when I point out the obvious maze I am pointlessly walking through, sometimes for no cheese. This is also because of the two fish who doen't even know about each other. They swim in opposite directions sometimes, I am convinced.
Well, Jeffrey, you sure know Pisces.
My Pisces once told me that my problem was I believed what he told me. Heh. I'm beginning to understand the fish symbolism, I think.
Sagilarous,
It sounds like your Pisces is gaslighting you when he says you're mad for thinking he always has something up his sleeve.
Speaking as another Sag interacting with a Pisces, I can say "gaslit" ("gaslighted"?) is a perfect description of how I've felt at times.
Gaslighting, hmmm, that sounds about right. I hate the idea of being a "victim" to him, however. Since I am a good person, the loss he incurs by misguiding me away from loving him is actually victimizing himself. He has dated too many women that tore him up a bit, and now he is missing out on a good one.
Thanks for always having such good advice Jeffrey.
You're welcome.
I'm a leo dating a pisces and we are planning on getting married. I think we are very simpatico except I caught him in two lil lies...both regarding an ex of his. I know he did it to protect my feelings but I'm a leo and require the truth no matter how it might offend me....are they always like this? I know he wouldn't lie on big things...I suppose we all tell lil lies here and there but is this to be throughout our future?? Gosh...
I am just now dating a pisces and as an aries woman... well you know I thought he was prince charming. He always says just the right things, and in such a short time I felt like I was falling in love.Then he asked me if I would be mad if he " slept with someone else". I put honesty before all else and told him that, then he let me know that he was talking to ex's and getting phone #s'. I tried not to show it, but I want to run about 100 miles in the opposite direction. ( As to not get hurt ) What do you guys think ?
^^^ Run Quickly
Well I tried to run quickly, and then he said he wanted a "serious" relationship. Any tips from pisces men or from those who have delt with one ( specifically in aquarius moon )as to how to keep a pisces man happy, satisfied, and most importantly...FAITHFUL????
I'm a Pisces male and I must say that I am pretty freakin' honest, thank you very much.
Okay, Pisces male again. in answer to your question about how to keep a pisces male happy, satisfied and faithful...
Leave him alone when he feels like being alone. I have a Capricorn girlfriend and the one thing I hate more than anything else is that she is always trying to engage me when I need to withdraw.
He'll engage you when he's willing to be engaged, so let him go at his own pace.
That's to keep him happy. To keep him satisfied and faithful...
As a Pisces, I can tell you that I think about having sex with people other than my girlfriend ALL THE TIME. And I'm probably not stopping anytime soon. Pisces, whatever they tell you to make you feel loved, is a pretty flirtatious sign. They would love to be faithful, but it's hard on them. (It's hard on me!)
So to really keep him faithful to you, at least emotionally, I would recommend you let him be as promiscuous as he wants to be.
Showing that you are so strong and secure in yourself as to let him do what and who he wants and still love him is a HUGE turn on for him (at least for me). He may or may not take you up on this freedom you are allowing him (although I'm sure he'll flirt), but regardless, he'll certainly become more attached to you emotionally, regardless of his actions.
This may seem counter-intuitive, but if you let him fool around with others, you are basically the absolute perfect woman, and I'm sure that he will do everything he can to make you happy otherwise. It's a different sense of faithful, but grant him sexual and emotional freedom, and he'll always be there for you. Emotionally. Just let him spend the night somewhere else for a night every now and again.
Because really, there's nothing I love more than strong, secure women, loving women! Especially the sexually aggresive ones...
And who knows which of your dirty fantasies he'll let and even help you fulfill, like that one involving the five bell boys at the hotel, or that steamy public number you dream about, you freak
I found out the hard way that Pisces can be sly, manipulative liars. My husband pursued an emotional relationship that didn't pan out. He kept secrets, wrote emotionally intense letters/emails, made little coffee dates as overtures, bought her chocolates, lied outright about even knowing her when he brought home her car to work on (a friend mentioned this poor secretary who was having a hard time & needed help). Gag.
How did I figure this out (me, Taurus)? First I asked him pointblank after seeing a weird text message & he looked me right in the eye and lied, lied, lied. So I had to rely on my common sense & look at the evidence THEN ask the questions. Very key to dealing with liars, you have to know the answers BEFORE you ask the questions. So I had evidence in hand before I asked the questions & for each lie, I confronted him with the truth. Harsh but necessary to shake him out of the arrogance he could pull the wool over my eyes at will.
Sounds very calm, but I'm a Taurus so you can just imagine how it went when I got really angry about it. The deceit especially.
What has it cost? My respect & trust, I don't believe a word he says even though he seems to have come out of the fugue & come back to the land of the living. What a waste of time he's made - chasing some vague thing while I've been here patiently waiting & trying to make his life easier.
I told him in plain terms, you don't want to act married - then don't BE married. Quit wasting my time. Do as you choose, but don't play me for a fool. Let's go see a lawyer & get done with this pathetic excuse of a marriage (emotionless, sexless, dull - fishlike actually - ha ha). Play it upfront & honest or let's just call it a day sooner rather than later. I've been starving on so many levels waiting for this cold fish to wake up. Guess I finally lost my patience.
Strangely enough, he wanted to stay together? I can't figure it out. He doesn't know it, but we're in a trial period now. I put away the wedding ring & we'll see how things play out.
I think with Pisces, it is good to understand that Actions speak louder than words. Don't be fooled by what they say, they lie & probably to themselves as well. Use your common sense to see what the truth is for yourself, you're not going to get it from them.
I am a pisces woman.....I love to be in love, and make people fall in love with me ....but I can't be supressed or controled because its true a pisces will swim far far away....I hate to say it but pisces is the nympho of the zodiac...its the dreamy nature and curiosity and passion that makes us want to bond with many different people on an emotional and physical level....the only relationship i ever had where i was 100 percent faithful was the one with my exhusband who got involved in swinging with me we had a couple of foursomes and a threesome he is a scorpio....i had the freedom to express my strong sexuality with different people and go home with the man i love and be secure that i was his favorite and he was mine.... i didnt have to be sneaky or go behind his back with anything cause i had that freedom....a tip on hooking a pisces woman for life let her go do what she wants to do every now and then , take a vacation by herself with her girlfriends.... or at least let her go to the store by herself... dont be up her butt all the time like my Gemini man that im with now...... im very sneaky behind his back....not proud of it but i have to have other interests and entertainment even though i love him and do everything to make him happy.....he is willing to go to a swingers club but only cause he wants to screw other girls if he sees me with a guy he will probably cling to me all night
and to "anonymous" whose husband deceived her.......I'm sorry to hear that cause i know how it is to be deceived ...and be the deceiver...the problem with pisces is they don't realize how wrong they are until someone throws evidence in their face then they get a reality check which Taurus by the way is very good at giving...lol...if you can break a pisces down enough to come clean about everything you are on your way to a long relationship....3 of my best friends in the world are taurus they are good for pisces on a friendship level but i was in a relationship with a taurus man for 4 years and i constantly had hurt feelings pisces is the most sensitive sappy sign of the zodiac and Taurus is the most blunt argumentative sign and i couldnt take that i wasnt stong minded enough .And by argumentative i meant they were never wrong its like i couldnt have hurt feelings by myself he would be hurt more...i couldnt be mad by myself he would always be madder....a pisces just waits for a Taurus to put their arms around them one time and say "I'm sorry ...I was wrong and you were right"....
Thanks for commenting, cristacp25. Somewhere else on this blog a Pisces man commented that the best way to keep him is to let him sleep with other women. If only everyone was so understanding...
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I'm a Pisces male... the only lie that you will hear from me is that I had OJ instead of espresso in the morning... 'cause I don't want to listen to a diatribe on how caffine makes me irritable...
I shared a bed with an Aries girl for a few months... she constantly teased me about walkin' away... my affection for her was constantly being tested... grow up...
mighty Aries who enjoys to possess, but refuses to be possessed...
maybe if omnipotent Aries would find that surrender is not always a losing battle, fishy Pisces would not swim away...
and if Sag wants to really launch arrows, and involve themselves in a 'frank' discussion, maybe they should play less games... the only way that you'll see me in one, is if I catch the game you're playin' on me... at that point, I have no reservation about leading you on, and bending the rules...
Pisces reacts... they don't plan and act like Sag...
My Moon is in Virgo... so, if you ever want to see an accursed creature who can be candid, and argue based either on logic, or conviction (emotion)... drop me a note...
I will admit to my flirtatious tendencies, but I guarantee you that I never acted on those impulses...
Not once, did I consider returning to my X... who happened to be Aquarius (yet, another dynamic individual that meek and phlegmatic Pisces has somehow survived)...
All signs lead each other on... to single out one particular sign, is asinine...
but, since casting stones is commonplace... I'll be the most recent hurler...
Aries has no problems coming on to someone if it is self-serving...
Aries is hypocritical... they want to be trusted... but, do not trust...
Aries seeks comfort in your arms and peace in their own home... once you give it... they turn... and cannot cope with it...
I can 'honestly' say that my Aries girl collected more phone numbers, and e-mail addresses in one night than I did in a month...
She also had no trouble flaunting the fact that she slept with her f-buddy to "prove something to herself" while I became her new "friend with benefits"...
Engaging in a liaison is a choice... has nothing to do with the stars... whether you have a predisposition to illicit romance or not... mental strength is not catering to such indulgence... otherwise, you're looking for justification for an action that in your core you know is immoral...
all a Piscean has ever offered is kindness... even to his enemy... but, this is perceived as an inherent weakness in society... is it so much for me to ask that I am afforded the courtesy of affection???...
YOU cannot handle Piscean sublimation...
A Piscean is more lied to than lier...
Listening and assimilation is attributed to my sign... not Aries, Sag, or Taurus... I yearn for the Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind... then, perhaps, I would not have to pass over all the misdirection that I'm subjected to...
I hope this post is unread... like water it will slip through your fingers...
well, the guy who said that the best thing to keep a pisces "faithfull" is to let him screw the girls he likes is.. absolutely right. please re-read that argument if it sounds like a=~a. assuming that you remember it, as a happy faithfull pisces i confirm the theory. by the time my crabgirl said "we'll, it's basically like do whatever you like" i actually stopped thinking so much about screwing other girls cause i just fell more hardly than ever for ever because of that. i'll try to do my short explanation on that in a moment, and coment on "the lie thing", but first i want to add another tip for fish-grabber-pretenders: do everything outrageous you remember, then if necessary apologize. say like, push him to do some sexual activity that he didn't thought of or blushed at the thought. and more basically, embarace him just a bit and tell listen to all his advice and regret. or just fake the whole film. like, if he can't predict you and ccan't control you, he will fell more and more curious and interested.
people who get hurt with pisces just shouldn't date pisces. they miss the good part of it - they are good to madness, but never short of that. they're never so mean or able to hurt as a scorpio, anyhow.
so i guess we lie quite a lot, but only when:
a) the matter is small and we wanna have a solitary laugh
b) the little lie saves a lot of boring explantion
c) we believe what we are saying
d) we take the best side of the story to make it loke more pretty
and finally e) cause we really are foolin' you cause we really don't like you very much.
a pisces man, even if he doesn't like very much of a girl, if she gives him some love, tenderness or sex, or just the promise, will wander around, support all the boredom you gave him, try to look charming once in a while, and lie with all his mouth every time he oppens it.
we'll, i guess now i'm sick of writin', otherwise i would explian why pisces is nevertheless and incredible guy to those who doubt it, perhaps some other time, but nevertheless, here you have some raw facts about pisces man.
wang-fo my name is not, pisces male.
I dated a Pisces guy awhile back that smoked, but claimed he's a non-smoker (he knew I don't date smokers). Of course, my oversensitive sense of smell sniffed out the truth. For awhile, I didn't call him on it, but then one day I showed him an article that discussed how smokers lose their sense of smell just to see his reaction. The look on his face while reading the article was priceless. :)
My Pisces grandmother lies daily. Why? I don't know, but she always giggles when we call her on it...and sometimes she just tells on herself because she can't keep up with the lies. An example is her pretending she's a vegetarian at a restaurant when she is a major junk food junkie and probably wouldn't recognize a vegetable if she grew it herself. lol
Honestly, it's such a pity that the signs which are traditionally compatible with Pisces all are rather exacting in the matter of fidelity.
I re-read this thread...
it has convinced me that I lied with regards to my previous post...
I think every forgets that Pisces is the 'other' sign of duality...
infidelity is reflection of the western fish... there are those of us who fall under the sign, who gavitate to the northeastern fish...
Sign compatibility is not limited to your Sun sign...
I'm fatigued... I need to go sleep...
do you believe me?
Natives of each sign are able to bring the lowest or the highest expression of their sign, or to interpret differently seemingly simple messages. Not only Pisces.
I wasn't actually writing about astrological compatibility per se, but more about "clear types".
Am I at least a bit comprehensible?
Ha! I don't have to!
Just discovered this blog so sorry if my commment seems late. . . .
anyhow, I'm a pisces man with aquarius moon and scorpio ascendant, have never had commitment issues. I realize I'm kind of picky and I tend to like a lot of people a little, but once I find someone I like I commit deeply and totally. If I'm into someone, I never fantasize. Even while my marriage to an aries woman (taurus moon, leo ascend) was falling apart, I never wanted to be with anyone else.
As far as the "lying" goes: Sometimes I'm not quite sure what I'm thinking and feel unable or lack confidence in expressing it, so until I'm sure how I want to put my thoughts into words I may deflect.
I don't feel like I'm lying when I answer since I don't really answer the question, but I have one friend that knows me extremely well (libra woman, cancer moon, gemini asc) and she calls me on it. I didn't realize I was doing it until she brought it to my attention. Subconscious defensive mechanism I guess.
on the other hand, when I express something with confidence, I say what I mean and mean what I say. At least, in that context and at that moment ;-)
I'm getting better being less ambiguous as I get older, but must admit sometimes it's hard to just put those feelings out there. I find myself admiring Sag (and Aries) women cause they just throw stuff out there and "who cares" and I wonder how I can learn how to do that better, it's like they can tap into my elusive "fun" side (I also have Aries in Venus and Sag in Mars).
Reading the original message, I wonder if part of it may be that Sag is so direct she's hitting the mark more than she realizes when sensitive Pisces isn't quite prepared. I can't deny I haven't done that.
Anyhow, just an educated guess. . . .
I cannot believe what I am reading!!!
As a pisces female I am very faithful. If a guy treats me right I think the world of him and do anything for them.
I don't have sex without meaning with anyone and I dont agree that we are swingers and sex fiends!!!
I might lie about finance and money or something to keep people at bay so they won't get too close to me, but those who are trust worthy and do get close to me, I give them the world.
Mr.Kev-Kev--thank you for your honesty and sensitivity.I appreciated your comments very much.:-)
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Proserpine, clever name - had to refresh my Roman mythology!
For the last Anonymous, I agree I don't think pisces is inherently unfaithful. I don't deny I like sex a lot, but it needs to be with the right person. If wanting to have sex a lot with someone I'm committed to makes me a sex fiend, then so be it.
Money, finances, etc, totally agree. That's more info than someone casual needs to know. But once I commit, I give it all. Is hard for me to reverse course once I've crossed that internal line.
Mr. Kev Kev,
don't bother to explain to the other signs that your insatiable appetite for sex is limited to one partner... and it has more to do with emotionally committing to her...
they won't get it...
I've had plenty of encounters with "stronger", and "traditionally faithful" Sun signs...
they have a tendency to stray... or "prove something" to themselves in another's bed...
but, I'm certain some women that I've copulated with would tell you that they have "Venus in Pisces"; hence, their vulnerability to experimenting with alternate mass...
as far as a Sag, they're fantastic at arguing the logistics of morality and ethics... but, don't be fooled... they're more apt to fit the moniker of an infidel...
they're on "target" with their "arrows" when fired at others... ask Sag if they've ever shot themselves in the heel...
I luv Sags... I will envariably take their bow and give them a boomerang...
Chip, I wish you'd refrain from such graphic information here and really--I feel very uncomfortable hearing about you enraged with one woman copulating with another and on and on.
I'm sincerely sorry some women have been problems for you.
But no one sign is particularly unfaithful, in reality, and you are simply sounding unpleasant and sexist.
No one is doing anything to you in particular.
Everyone gets hurt occasionally.
I'm not impressed that you've had sex with several women.
So have lots of people.
Caman,
Wasn't looking for you to "honor me with a medal" based on my accomplishments with women...
Wasn't looking for sympathy...
it took an entire BLOG for someone to finally say that "no one sign is particular unfaithful"...
with respect to not posting:
...to be direct (which is uncustomary for a Piscean) ...I think you should look up the term, "forum for open discussion" ...or what the intent of the internet was
...I stand by my "graphic" lamentations
as far as sounding "unpleasant" and "sexist":
...so be it
...I can easily pass judgement, and project a santimonious aura like you have ...but, wouldn't this be a supposition I've made based on a handful of your keywords???
...if one person learns from my comments (even that I'm an a$$), I will have fulfilled a purpose
YES! I've been hurt... but, unlike most signs... I've learned that "my kind" has an innate ability to embrace pain if they're cognisant of the symptoms... and pain is not necessarily a feeling to be avoided... it lies at the core... just like love...
you cannot have Ying without Yang, and cannot "eat the fruit from the tree of life" if you don't stomach human ugliness
...if you'd like to discuss proper decorum and etiquette ...you could have sent an e-mail message to me directly to voice your displeasure
...UC ...even meek Pisces can "call you out"
...so, remember, remember the 13th of November
...today's science lesson - fish move, and cast stones with their mouth ...it is their predisposition
...and, in the event that I haven't been prejudicial enough
I will allow you to pigeonhole me...
"do you wanna dance with the devil in the pale moon light?"
are you ready for your lesson in sardonic derision?
your course if you choose to enroll is Pisces 101? ;-)
so.. I am a pisces and I lie..
everyone lies alittle bit...
but since we are so sensitive to others feelings we have to lie.
If we did not we would contradict ourselves completely.
Why tell the truth when all it will do is hurt them...?
All I wanna do is fulfill those fantasies that are in my mind (pisces is the nympho sign by the way)
My nickname in high school was "Nympho"... lol
But I dont want them to be all butt hurt about it. Because we long for the surreal...
for the fantasy...
for everything we think of in our heads...
all the daydreams...
all the naughty thoughts...
everything wants to come out...
and when it does... we cant help ourselves. So we have to lie. It is just apart of who we are.
But then again i suppose everyone has told alittle fib... no?
odette_the_fallen_one you have issues.
I dont agree with what you said at all for a generalisation of pisces.
Have a little Pisces compassion for the poor fish, she's in love. Remember the last time Cupid took a shot at YOU?
When someone says someone else "has issues" it is because of their own unresolved issues. Go look in the mirror.
We recognize obsessions when we've been there done that. You recognize "issues" because you're still there, smugness.
(use your spellcheck next time)
stinger UP!: there was nothing wrong with my spelling. Generalisation is the only word which could be perceived as being spelt incorrectly, but in Australia we spell it generaliSation not generaliZation.
I am not smug by any account and you cannot suggest I am especially as you do not know me. I am a Pisces myself and I know myself what it feels like when the cupid has had a shot at me.
I don’t think when someone says someone else has issues it is their own unresolved issues. Sure, I do have things in my life to work on but so does everyone in every time in their life. For me I said the writer had issues because I perceived what was said as being unacceptable behaviour (once again in Australia we spell it behaviour, not behavior) in terms of being a 'nympho' and lying. It is a cheap shot to say they have issues and I apologise (once again in Australia we spell it apologise not apologize) and I probably shouldn’t have said it but as a Pisces I did not agree with what was said as a generalisation of a Pisces and I am entitled to that opinion.
I will go deeper into why:
so.. I am a pisces and I lie..
everyone lies alittle bit...
but since we are so sensitive to others feelings we have to lie.
To me, I am sensitive to others feelings which is why I don’t lie. I feel guilty if I lie and have to confess because it always gets found out and it shows I am not that trust worthy and most of the time a lie when found out would hurt far more than if the truth was told in the first place.
If we did not we would contradict ourselves completely.
I don’t see why if we didn’t lie we could contradict ourselves? Generally, Pisces are people who would do anything for their friends and those we care about so it only makes sense that we wouldn’t want to lie to them?
Why tell the truth when all it will do is hurt them...?
At the end of the day a lie hurts a lot more than the truth. How many times have you caught someone doing something upsetting and lie about it, and only wished they could tell you the truth.
All I wanna do is fulfill those fantasies that are in my mind (Pisces is the nympho sign by the way)
My nickname in high school was "Nympho"... lol
I don’t know where this ‘nympho’ nickname comes from for Pisces. We are passionate but I don’t think ‘nympho’. We love greatly, but as we get hurt easily I don’t see why we would generally be a character that would give ourselves promptly or talk about what goes on in the bedroom. This is why I said you have issues which is not right for me to say as I don’t know you, but personally I would find it upsetting if people talked about me sexually and called me a ‘nympho’. I’d rather have respect on a different level. But that is personal preference.
But I don’t want them to be all butt hurt about it. Because we long for the surreal...
for the fantasy...
for everything we think of in our heads...
all the daydreams...
all the naughty thoughts...
everything wants to come out...
and when it does... we cant help ourselves. So we have to lie. It is just apart of who we are.
I see why we have to lie when it hurts the people we care about, and therefore cannot see why it is part of who we are. Pisces on a general level may be a bit of a daydreamer but that doesn’t necessarily mean that we need to lie about anything.
But then again i suppose everyone has told alittle fib... no?
Sorry that last bit was supposed to say,
I CAN'T see why we have to lie when it hurts the people we care about, and therefore cannot see why it is part of who we are. Pisces on a general level may be a bit of a daydreamer but that doesn’t necessarily mean that we need to lie about anything.
In addition to that, how many people have been taken advantage of because people have lied to them? I get this a lot especially as I am a sensitive person (most Pisces generally are) and whenever it happens the thing that hurts me the most is the fact that they know I am sensitive and still try and manipulate me by lying.
Personally, a Pisces should be the ones running the most away from liars because we are sensitive and want to believe the good, the daydream, so why would we put ourselves in the position where we are lying to others when we know it hurts when others do it to us.
Hi anonymous, that was a good answer, and I was wrong to jump at conclusions about your initial comment to Fallen Odette. I ass-umed prematurely which makes an ass of me so I apologize.
Your response is heartfelt and valid, and it was under-the-belt for me to poke at your spelling especially when you live in Australia (by the way, greetings from across the planet)
It's just that the whole "issues" thing reminds me of this very vexing Virgo at work who thinks everyone has issues but her-- gets annoying after a while, you know! She picks on a particular Pisces who is just trying keep the peace and yes, ahem, tells a good one from time to time-- but with the best of intentions.
I like to cut people a little slack and Scorps instinctively know when people are lying so it doesn't bother us anyway and we put up with it, no sweat.
But you're right, no Pisces deserves to be labeled a liar or nympho as there are many shades of Pisces, all of whom feel deeply and plumb the depths of the deep blue sea with their astute observations.
"Evasive" certainly is a more appropriate adjective than "liar" and there's nothing necessarily wrong with being evasive. They're just trying to dodge the bullets when they fly ;)
(then there are those of us who prefer to don bullet-proof-vests and stand there grinning "just shoot me")
Now THAT is smugness ;)
okay okay okay...
There are many things that I have said that may offend other people as well as other Pisces.
But I do have the right to feel the way I feel about things as do you. As does everyone else.
I am deeply sorry if I did offend anyone...and I was merely trying to express the way I felt at the time.
I do now realize that I do not lie all the time and that my nickname in high school was just that... a nickname.
I may think about things too much I suppose. I don't know. All I want people to know is that I don't have issues I just have those off days or moments.
Again, I apologize for the inconsideration of my words and my thoughts.
From the HEART,
NGN
early this week, I attempted to post a response to odette_the_fallen_one's orignal thread...
there was a rational reason as to why "publishing" on this site failed, but inexplicably, even though I take preventative measures to save my submission, that day I did not... I guess my words were not meant to be scrutinized...
Anonymous... (too many people use the alias. It's innervating)... nonetheless, your responses (although difficult to distinguish from quoted text) echoed my overemotionalism...
...a lie, once uncovered, is more costly, and draining than an initial confrontation
...when you deliberately hide a truth, or mindfully dismiss an action to "spare" another pain, and consequence ...it shows that you lack faith in their fortitude, or their adeptness to cope ...you deny that person the opportunity to work towards a solution...
Anonymous, you shall also see that I impugn...
you can only be "taken advantage of" if you allow it to happen... if you choose to be "sensitive", you need to accept that you stand the risk of being "manipulated"... if you choose to "run away", do not be surprised if you are spurned, or the object of sneering...
Live with your choice...
lastly, my fellow Piscarian, you have spun a masterful web, and even ensnared a Scopion by illiciting her sympathy... with your defense
my point... Pisceans are typecast as 'liars', and 'nymphs', and 'criers', and 'daydreamers' because we perpetuate the stereotype... we cater to these deportments under the guise of convenience, and 'old' habit... sometimes we use it as an excuse to 'feel safe'...
To stinger UP,
...not accustomed to seeing an apologetic Scorpio ...what gives?
...was Pluto in the constellation Pisces that day ...or does your chart have a planet in Pisces?
***injecting self with anti-venom in case I get stung*** :-)
..."Vexing Virgo" knows she has "issues" - she's harder on herself than on her peers ...let her "pick on" Pisces, he needs it
"yes, ahem, he tells a good one from time to time" - Is embellishing, lying?
"Scorps... put up with it (lying), no sweat" - so many counters come to mind...
***toxins causing me to hallucinate (misuse of narcotics ;-)... you didn't think I was needled by Ms. S'UP?)***
"us who... don bullet-proof vests, and stand there grinning" - be honest, behind that smile, you have the patience to wait... and clench your victim with those pincers when they least suspect... :o)
Scorpions are generally harmless and timid, and 'only voluntarily' use their sting for killing prey, defending themselves or in territorial disputes
Now THAT's saucy!
Does anyone care for some more loose statements? *WEG*
To Fallen Oddette,
...were you not the good swan in Swan Lake?
"I'm deeply sorry if I did offend anyone" - Pisceans are far too apologetic. Although I'm not too keen on this "entitlement of opinion" concept that pervades society, we should not assume the onus of how another feels... especially if your expression is not disingenuous nor malevolent...
"those off days or moments" - this is the sign in a nutshell. We have to be careful not to use this crutch...
Yes Chip, there's exceptions to every rule
Sometimes Pisces is straightforward, and sometimes Scorpio apologizes
Depends on the situation of course ;)
what is *WEG*?
*WEG* - Wicked Evil Grin
*EG* - Evil Grin
*G* - Grin
Old school chat... you use them as an alternative to emoticons, :-)
I was being playful with Ms. Scorpio... both our signs get a bad wrap, and suffer from certain fallicies...
To lay this "lying" topic to rest... Pisces customarily lies out of misgiving... there is an eccentricity to us that is not easy to accept... the lie is our conceit, our shroud... "if I told you, you wouldn't believe me... you wouldn't get it..."
Under most conditions, our lies are not out of suspicion, or calculating, or used to achieve an objective...
if you go through this thread, you'll see contributors got defensive, and "felt the need" to clarify... apologies for perceived offenses... why?
I guess, I post, so all Pisceans know that it is OK to say, "this is who I am, take it or leave it"... and we owe it to ourselves...
I completely agree with the comment:
I guess, I post, so all Pisceans know that it is OK to say, "this is who I am, take it or leave it"... and we owe it to ourselves...
We owe it to ourselves to be honest with ourselves and those around us. Take it or leave it and most won't get it and even when you are blunt they still use their own assumptions and don't listen to what you say.
Thats one thing I have learned, if you dont lie and speak the truth, people don't listen anyway so you may as well say the truth because at least then you know that was all that was said and if people can't handle it or don't take it in, it's completely their loss. Who wants people like that in their lives anyway.
Anonymous : What you say is something like what is going on in my life now.
We have been together with this Pisces for almost 8 years. Sex with him is passionate and we satisfy each other.
However, he has strong desire for sex and he loves having sex with other women too.
He loves women period..
A few times I thought it was just a game between us but he even went ahead to do it behind my back. He does not want me to leave because he said he loves me and wants to grow old with me. He just say that he loves this game.
What should I do?
I am pregnant now but we have other kids so it is not like he is afraid, as he said so himself.
Should I just ignore and allow him to go ahead? It hurts, especially he is 43 and his latest babe is 23 while I am 35 :(
Get rid of him, he is a leech.
I am 23 and I went through something similar with a Virgo 40 year old male, he just said the right things and I wanted to believe him and in the meantime he was dating someone else and living with her, but playing her the right way too.
It is easy to block it all out and just believe what you want and justify it but at the end of the day, if you walk away you will surprise how strong you are especially morally and in terms of values. It will be hard but you will be such a better person for it. And don't let him suck you back in. If he really loved you he would not do anything to hurt you.
What a selfish man... it is not excusable!
He is your husband and the father of your child. If you can afford to survive on your own, support your children without the help of a man, or are willing to live the next decade on welfare, then leave him.
I suggest you turn a blind eye to his philandering knowing that he is only doing it for the sex. He said he loves you and he means it, but "love" coming from a man is defined in different terms than the woman's point of view.
If he is providing your security and the roof over your head, be grateful and serve him dutifully as your "employer." If you are working and earning your own income, then by all means dump him.
We sometimes have to put up with bosses from hell but if the job is worth it, are you in a position to quit?
Miss 23-year-old is unencumbered and relatively free to pursue her life on her terms. You are not.
No way you deserve so much better than to spend your life as an employee in a marriage.
No money could buy me. I would rather be earning less, be on some sort of welfare and working part time to support myself and having that appreciation for myself than to give in to some bastard who thinks he can provide me with things in order to keep me there as a safety net as he goes and plays his games with the rest of the women out there...
He would give child support as well.
Maybe if you moved out he would get a wake up call... and everyone around you would respect you so much more if you stood your ground to bad values - and you would surprise yourself at how strong you actually are.
These days you can turn your life around at almost any age, not just in your 20s. I know people in their 40s who go back to university and change their careers.
I couldnt have a superficial safety net relationship, I think it would be degrading to myself and not facing reality.
Confused Anon. Scorpio...
...read this,
http://songsdomain.tripod.com/piscesshadow1/index.html
your story brought me back to this...
ask yourself, do you want to be like Harry's wife? Can you live with yourself under such conditions?
Ask yourself, is there anything worth salvaging in the relationship? If so, how?
Can you accept the possible resentment that you may harbor for walking away? Can you cope with the pain that you'll see in your children's eyes?
Personally, I would never follow anyone's advice... you need to find in you what you can endure, and overcome... and be true to your self...
...surround yourself with those who will support your decision
...your husband's choice has impacted more lives than his own
...and if I were the one to pass judgement, I'd suggest he's the man who should seek help ...not you
because they can
Good Post.This is the second time I read this post and loved all the follow up responses!
Everyone has a defense mechanism, and I think Pisces uses lies and escapism. I'm sure if they felt truly safe they wouldn't. It always seems to me pisces is trying to protect something inside themselves, like a feeling or a truth...
Seeing as it was reposted I thought I'd throw in my two piscean cents.
I partially agree with the man that said the way to keep a Piscean man faithful is to let him do what he wants. The part I don't agree with is the part that says "man" as, I don't think that is limited by gender.
Until six years ago I don't think I had a relationship for over a month which I did not "cheat" in, or attempt to at the very least. Then I came across this Cancerian boy (Sun, Mars, Venus conj. in Cancer) who told me that if I wanted to be with someone else, that was ok. No worries, he knows that I love him. Really? I say... "Really" he says. "I'm not good at being faithful either..." he said, "but we can talk about it. In fact, please do, because it really turns me on..."
The truth is that I have no desire whatsoever to act on that permission for the first time in my life. I still flirt, can't stop that, I think it is an intrinsic part of my personality. The standard Piscean meeky-mushness isn't though, thank goodness for Mars in Aries.
Lie? Yeah, especially to the Taurean, because we both know Taurus, that truth or lie - the beating will still come. Better to lie and maybe get away with it, than to be honest and get thumped for sure. YOU lie Taurus, when you say it's honesty that you want, what you want is obedience.
I'm trying not to be offended, as I do tend to be an honest person, honest to a fault kind of person really, because I know that when I have cause to lie then I will. Some people wouldn't lie to save their lives, but I really do think they are a serious minority. Then I'm also anti-social, so maybe I can afford more honesty than those Pisces' that try to fit in, as if they could actually manage such a thing.
Anyhow, it's been fun reading. Mutable Pisces can be many things sexually, whatever their partner wants them to be. It makes them alluring, their passion and devotion is all-encompassing and such that their partner wants to "keep" but it's not for keeping, it's for everyone. Someone called Pisces the "nymph" of the zodiac, I agree with that too.
I think Jeff should break out this question into 3 separate blogs...
1. Do Pisceans who gravitate towards the Northern fish lie?
2. Do Pisceans who succumb to the Western fish lie? (answer for this genotype would be a rhetorical YES!)
3. "Let he who is not Pisces, and does not lie, post the first thread!"
To whatever,
Just because "they can", it does not mean that "they do"
To angelineelise,
"Pisces uses lies and escapism to truly feel safe"...
I would argue that people (regardless of sign) lie because the truth brings the perception of PAIN over PLEASURE (behavioral motivation borrowed from Tony Robbins; BTW, he's Piscarian; ironic that a founder of NAC comes from such a traditionally pessimistic sign!)
To Val,
"Better to lie and maybe get away with it than to be honest, and get thumped for sure"
What happened to all the albatross???... no wonder there are so many lost sailors...
So, let's see if I capeesh - "I can afford more honesty than those Pisces who try to fit in..." - you should append, "unless I'm in the bedroom" ;-)
Your last sentiment, "Pisces can be many things sexually, whatever their partner wants them to be" - it infers we either 'fake it', we put on a ruse, or it's our rendition of Moulin Rouge...
As if, Pisces could manage such a thing... rotfl
what is rotfl
rotfl = rolling on the floor laughing
Why does Pisces lie? Because it is in their nature to do so. They lie, because they must.
@chip:
"I would argue that people (regardless of sign) lie because the truth brings the perception of PAIN over PLEASURE (behavioral motivation borrowed from Tony Robbins; BTW, he's Piscarian; ironic that a founder of NAC comes from such a traditionally pessimistic sign!)"
I rarely find the truth brings the perception of pain over pleasure myself, maybe I'm the odd duck.
I don't find Pisces people to be pessimistic...
The question really isn't DO Pisces Lie but WHY Pisces lie!
....I mean you can say everyone lies and throw up your hands and walk away and be right but this is an astrology blog, and I feel the reasons a Sagittarius would lie to be quite different to why a Pisces would lie.
I have dated many Pisces men and love them dearly still, they lied to me to protect a part of themselves from me that they felt threatened...either their fantasy of who I was, who they were, or the situation they're in. Not to hurt my feelings, cheat or otherwise "get one over on me".
But you do have planets beyond your sun sign...and I have a feeling that there is a reason you're pretty assertive for a Pisces! ;)
"Why does Pisces lie? Because it is in their nature to do so. They lie, because they must"
You can't be anyone but who you are. Too bad, so sad.
[Further the despondent sayeth not.]
All of the signs must have their freaky side but it seems like Pisces men are the freakiest as far as substance abuse, cheating & commitment phobias. I am a gemini female who is infatuated , maybe in love with a pisces male co-worker. He is divorced. He seems so helpless and teary eyed all the time But so damn sexy. Are gemini & pisces drawn to eachother usually?
angelineelise,
you are referring to the MOTIVATION that triggers a lie... my echoed reason was predicated on Freud's pleasure/reality principles... I'd be willing to ascertain that your proofs are manifestations of this principle...
"they lied to me to protect a part of themselves from me" - Was your Fish not avoiding a potentially painful situation such as opening themselves up? What happened when they were truthful? Were you blunt? Did you sling your rendition of the truth (which they wouldn't accept)?
"they felt threatened" - ah, the instinct of self-preservation... typically, do we not equate peril to pain?...
"either their fantasy of who I was, who they were, or the situation they're in" - Did the gratification received from these relationships diminish when reality started to sink in?
my contention, if we were to explore these axioms: Scorpios are secretive, Capricorns are calculating, and Cancerians hide behind a shroud, don't each of these qualities personify a deliberate intent to deceive?... so, why don't we have a blog about WHY other signs lie?
lastly, I disagree... fundamentally, everyone lies for the same reason... you lie for gain... only the presentation, the mask, the pretense changes
personally, I defer the truth because it affords me time...
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if u r really that interested in my chart, there are various posts in this portal that illustrate it... (although the planetary positions are not specified)... if u r a visual person, sketching it on a napkin should b easy...
I'm a loose orb away from a grand cross in the mutable signs... I have a square to a cardinal ascendent... so, let's say that I have 3 T-squares... if you interpolate my north node, you can fly a kite... half my houses (Placidus) have fixed signs on the cusp; possibly explains an outsider's 1st impressions, and their moniker for me - stubborn...
my chart is balanced considering it's limited when it comes to Libran energy (thank God)...
Traditionalists will see a handful of malefics and planets in detriment... modern practioners would say that my aspects are disharmonious and energy channels badly (or if you're a flower child - my aspects amplify tension)...
you can actually have squares and oppositions that bring a planet in concert... but, in my case, no such luck (not self-pitying, just plain truth)
ASSERTIVE? Yes... I can call on any one of those mutable signs... problem is that they rear their ugliness at inopportune times, too...
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lmao@Max,
where's the parable about the Frog and the Scorpion?... ;-)
@Lipstick...I don't know of any Gem-Pisces pairings, but you can always be the first!! ;)
For your information kind sir, I do not entertain frogs gladly. I much prefer attractive married women. Less responsibility for me and they are so grateful.
['Fair is foul, and foul is fair.']
@Chip and EVERYONE!!!!:
Please help!!! But before I state my problem, I just want to say that ALL of you guys are funny. I was ROTL like Jeffrey. This is my first day on here and I can't stop reading all the entries. So Thank you for putting a smile on my face: xoxo for each one of you.
Here's my dilemna: I'm an aquarian woman(THE NICE ONE). I'm 28, divorced and a single parent of 2 little ones. FYI-I was married to a gemini man-we won't get into that. I think you all know how that went (no pun intended). Back to my point, well, I'm just going to copy and paste what I wrote to Jeffrey and I ASK ALL OF YOU to give me any ADVICE and, of course, Jeffrey can help too. Please read below and thank you all in advance: (I will reply to any questions and your comments-just bear with me being that I am very new to this.)
I am aquarian woman and the man I like is pisces. I think I am in love with him. We have never become intimate because I was married to a gemini man for 5 years and I respect my vow of marriage. I am divorced because the gemini man did me dirty. I will be divorced for a year in June 2008, which is next month. Currently, I am a single parent of a 4 year old boy and a 5 year old girl...gemini father is not currently in their lives and they desire a step daddy lol.
I am writing you because I have known my pisces friend for more than 7 years. Right before I decided to date my aggressive ex-hubby, gemini, I went on a date with pisces man. With the exception of my two kids, I regret marrying my ex hubby. I know that this pisces man is the man I SHOULD have married. I have told him this year how I felt and he is very responsive (the pisces man) to this but I am the one holding back beca use I don't want to get hurt again, and also I have two kids, not to mention we live 2 hours away. Ironically, his mother and sister are aquarians too!!! His father is a taurus. I want to know...are we compatible? I am soooooo scared in becoming involved if it isn't going to work out, especially when children are involved. Being that I haven't been intimately involved with pisces man, I think he is still interested in me because we haven't done the deed lol even though he has told me for the first time this year that he is in love with me. When I was separated, he even bought me a ring and told me he loved me but I was very rude to him and had a lot of trust issues and he said that he couldn't deal with that and it was causing him stress and we called it quits. Nevertheless, we are in each other's lives and I don't know if I should even consider pursuing a romantic relationship with him. I tell him he needs to move back so we can date. He says we have to have sex fir st and then within a year, he will move back to this city and we can get married. I don't know if it is all bs (excuse my language). so are we a little or a lot compatible??????
p.s. give me all the good and bad...give it to me cut and raw...I appreciate that.
@ CHIP and EVERYONE, plz:
I am aquarian woman and the man I like is pisces. I think I am in love with him. We have never become intimate because I was married to a gemini man for 5 years and I respect my vow of marriage. I am divorced because the gemini man did me dirty. I will be divorced for a year in June 2008, which is next month. Currently, I am a single parent of 2 little ones.
I am writing you because I have known my pisces friend for more than 7 years. Right before I decided to date my aggressive ex-hubby, gemini, I went on a date with pisces man. With the exception of my two kids, I regret marrying my ex hubby. I know that this pisces man is the man I SHOULD have married. I have told him this year how I felt and he is very responsive (the pisces man) to this but I am the one holding back because I don't want to get hurt again, and also I have two kids, not to mention we live 2 hours away. Ironically, his mother and sister are aquarians too!!! His father is a taurus. I want to know...are we compatible? I am soooooo scared in becoming involved if it isn't going to work out, especially when children are involved. Being that I haven't been intimately involved with pisces man, I think he is still interested in me because we haven't done the deed lol even though he has told me for the first time this year that he is in love with me. When I was separated, he even bought me a ring and told me he loved me but I was very rude to him and had a lot of trust issues and he said that he couldn't deal with that and it was causing him stress and we called it quits. Nevertheless, we are in each other's lives and I don't know if I should even consider pursuing a romantic relationship with him. I tell him he needs to move back to my city so we can date (more of a security blanket for myself). He says we have to have sex first and then within a year, he will move back to this city and we can get married. I don't know if it is all bs (excuse my language). so are we a little or a lot compatible?????? what should I do? I'm so confused. If I were to describe my perfect man, all his features and his personality, he will be it! =)
Any advice or help Jeff or someone? I would appreciate it.
This is my first day on here so I'm fairly new at this. Sorry but I didn't realize that I posted my long entry 2x. I apologize for the inconvenience.
Thank you.
@ CHIP and EVERYONE:
Pisces man called me and told me that he truly loves me and he doesn't care abou the sex. He seemed kinda mad or hurt on the phone. But he said that I can't handle the "love" part. I think he is hurt. He upset me but I think I'm just mad because he is right. Unfortunately, he has never been married, never gone through a divorce, doesn't have children, and doesn't know what it is to be a single parent. I think I am just putting excuses for myself....just shielding myself from getting hurt again. Like I said, I'm an aquarian and it is hard for me to open up and be vulnerable, especially fall in love with someone. I think that's why aquarians are accused of being so aloof at times. We are just scared and don't want to seem we need anyone because it makes us vulnerable. I'm a little embarassed just posting this up. Hopefully someone will answer (yes, I'm putting myself out there lol). What do you guys think?
Ms Aquarius Girl,
I'm a Pisces with Aquarius moon, and feel an aloofness that unconsciously seems to shield my own soft emotional core. But Aquarians always seem to know how to find it - over the past few years I've fallen hard for two of them, and been smitten with others.
My guess is you both have other things at play beyond Sun signs that is making your head spin. I find myself totally logical and feeling in control except with Aquarians, when all logic goes out the window. While there is something invigorating when someone seems to see through you, there is also something totally unnerving.
Ultimately you have to decide what makes the most sense to you, but having been divorced myself I know the feeling of being accepted by someone after going through the rejection of divorce, and sometimes those choices are not the best beyond that moment.
Yes they are uplifting, especially if your divorce left you feeling like you've just been thrown to the junk pile, but if you feel like things are being rushed then the situation isn't right for you.
As far as moving to another city, having sex, etc, everything needs to happen at its own pace. Uprooting to another city to be with someone is a pretty serious commitment - if you haven't worked through all the "getting to know you" things yet (which for many people includes sex) then he's taking on a lot of risk, especially if you already pushed him away once, he might be leery of immersing himself in an extremely committed relationship with you.
Maybe a question to consider: would you consider moving closer to him? Or is there some middle ground that doesn't require either of you to uproot yourselves while you confirm that the relationship is the "right" one for both of you?
Distance relationships are hard work, no doubt (I tried dating a Leo who lived over an hour away, that drive got old for both of us, for me to deal with two hours away I'd have to be quite smitten). . . .
but this first conversation gives you a chance to see if you can work together to resolve a common issue where you both need to compromise to make it work. And if you can't find a middle ground, that may answer all your questions about how that bodes for the long-term and what you need to do for yourself today.
From HappyGoLuckyAquarianGirl:
Thanks, Mr. Kev Kev.... =)
I have learned I don't want to be in a relationship right now. I told the Pisces guy that if he ever moves back to my city, then we can date and hopefully move into a relationship if it's mutual. I am not going to move for anyone and I